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This is our branestorm chat from July 24 :p I took out the random crack obviously... or tried my best in any case :p

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Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
i really wanna write a scene where orophin and haldir talk
but i have no idea where it'd go
or exactly how to play it

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
like after he's injured?

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
yeah... either when he's starting to heal and comes in to talk to haldir, or when he's still healing and haldir comes in to see him and orophin starts talking to him
i want orophin to initiate the convo... that much i know
i really wanna make sure we show that orophin really does have feelings, isn't a total ass, and really, really isn't a moron
i want a scene where haldir and rumil talk too, but i'm picturing a very different kind and mood of conversation

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
I was thinking when haldir goes in to see him..

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
i liked that better too
cuz i can picture haldir going in to see him and he starts talking better with his character... i don't see him actually going to find haldir and talking to him, but since he's there, and orophin can't move anyway.... i think he'd definately say his peac
dunno what about even, but i want a moment like that

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
and haldir needs to apologize

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
cuz then i want rumil to actually find haldir and talk to him... tell him some wise stuff and give some observations maybe
yes
dunno for sure what i want either convo to look like convo-wise

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
maybe rumil would find him when orophin's still too injured to talk? and haldir's still really pissed off

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
it could be rumil talking to him that convinces haldir to go see him in the first place!

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
I'm sure I had an idea for something like that, but now it's gone
I don't think haldir would NOT go see him for any reason though
that seems a bit heartless...

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
well no, he'd certainly go see him
but i mean... go in to talk to him... and then orophin starts instead

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
but rumil would make him less angry

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
very much so

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
and orophin can't talk yet, so there's some time in between
what's dinraen up to during all this, anyways?

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
he could calm haldir down with his wise words then haldir could go in to talk to him but not know for sure what to say, but then orophin starts talking first so he doesn't have to
yeah, definately a gap
hmm... dunno

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
visiting galadriel?

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
i can see her talking with rumil before rumil talks to haldir
i mean... not immediately before

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
maybe *that's* the scene I was thinking of...
he could kinda mention the issues

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
but kinda a "they're both worried about the situation" kind of thing... but haldir won't talk to rumil and dinraen doesn't know what to say to haldir, so dinraen and rumil talk to each other and rumil agrees to go talk to haldir
yeah, definately that too
or at least tell her the basics

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
we gotta tell the readers somehow

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
yup
and GOTTA love new characters for that

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
well someone at some point should tell a short version of the story of beleg
just cuz

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
just cuz

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
i mean, kinda like how they mention beren and luthien in the book and then how aragorn mentions it in the movie
if we find some kind of parallel in our story to anything in that... maybe the whole "great marchwarden who befriended a human and ended up dying" thing ??
i mean, sad but true parallel

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
so, rumil talks to dinraen, rumil talks to haldir, haldir talks to orophin?

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
well i'd say haldir talks to dinraen, dinraen talks WITH rumil, rumil talks to haldir, haldir talks to orophin
but yeah, pretty much

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
haldir talks to dinraen, then notices she has some kind of minor injury, then rumil takes her off to go take care of it and talks to her?
*trying to add action to talk*

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
sure, why not

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
well, they're not just sitting around in some kind of group therapy

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
dunno if they'd talk QUITE that early
rumil's still kinda in shock, and injured badly himself

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
is he? oh

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
he just found out his brother is actually still alive and he left him on the battlefield... shock
he got his arm sliced open
well, got a sword through the arm anyway

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
well, I got nothin then
but as the two not/less injured ones, haldir and dinraen would talk pretty soon, right?

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
galadriel could call for her, but haldir has something he needs to do, so rumil offers to take her there, and talks to her along the way ??

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
sure
that gets her out of the way for a bit

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
probly though haldir probly wouldn't leave his brother's side for at least a little while

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
he could get kicked out for being in the way

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
someone could eventually be like "you should leave" and kinda take him out of there...
could be dinraen if you want
but i could see more a doctor taking him out and having to go back in, so she comes over and talks to him

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
I dunno anything about elvish healers, but they prolly dun want spectators

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
well, elf equivalent of doctor
yeah, they probly want him out of the way pretty quick

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
plus we dun wanna write about any medical stuff, do we?

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
yeah
so they all get to the healers' house/building (wherever that is) and then healer comes over and says they need to begin immediately, so someone tells haldir he needs to go outside, and kinda guides him out, haldir still in a bit of shock and bad mood and desperation himself...
then dinraen, who's obviously been left outside (seeing as no one can figure out why she's even THERE i'm sure), comes to talk to him ??

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
AWKward
and yeah, that's what I was thinking
well, I'd feel pretty awkward if I was her

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
i say at first she wouldn't like try and comfort him or talk too much about the current situation... she doesn't know him yet... she'd probly ask him about something or tell him he needn't worry or something simple like that
soooo awkward

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
cuz she WOULD be awkward.. she soooo wouldn't know what to say, but i think she's smart and kind enough to realize he probly doesn't wanna be just left out there, so she'd go say something to him

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
yeah, we dun want cliche comforting talk

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
yeah... soooo don't want cliche comforting talk

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
and he DID just threaten to kill her...
AWKward

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
yeah
noooo kidding
we're gonna have to come up with LOTS of ideas of what she says to him and pick one out of that
i don't think we'll be able to just write something and stick with the first thing we write
in fact, i'm relatively CERTAIN about that
we don't want it to be too cliche or too cold or too uncaring or TOO caring or too forward of a statement... so many "not too ____"s

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
and what happens for the rest of the time she's in lorien?

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
good question

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
she plays tourist?

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
well we know at some point galadriel's GONNA wanna see her... i mean, humans pretty much never enter there... and she wasn't sent there for any purpose... so methinks they've gotta decide what to do with her

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
give her the glare of doom!

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
and maybe she and celeborn are deciding... maybe told about her by the random elf who talked to haldir earlier... and then they decide they need to speak to her, and they call her down

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
oh yeah, we were gonna have haldir not quite trust her til after that

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
til galadriel decides something ya mean ?

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
yea

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
well, it can be a completely, er... platonic love {re: Haldir and Galdriel :p}

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
yeah

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
loves her cuz she's amazing and brilliant and wise, but knows she's sooooo taken ??

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
so, they decide she can stay a while?

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
yeah
clearly

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
then what?

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
umm... well, obviously we have to explain how haldir goes from not trusting her to talking to her about his feelings
so we need to develop how they become close
and he's definately gotta start spending a lot of time with her
slowly spending more and more time, methinks

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
he'd wanna show her around, he loves to play tour guide

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
yeah

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
can we mention the rope walking?

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
please!

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
I dunno how, it's just funny..

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
♥ rope-walking

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
she's sooo ending up in the river

Emgoliant :: 7 | PEF, PWF | Arthiel (Essilië) | Wannabe Timbit-Frakker :: says:
he goes to help her out and she pulls him in ??

Mergoth » PEF » Just say no to msncest (but yes to vancest) » WWHD? » says:
a fic ain't good til haldir ends up in the river